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Is a big problem with religion forcefulness?
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 25 2017, 10:12 PM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Is this a big part of the problem people have with religion? Often times with religion it's seen that parents' will be pretty forceful on their child making them "believe" in it. The parents may have come to find the religion on their own so it is their beliefs. But if they force it upon someone else or if that person takes it without question is it really their beliefs? I think religion is something you need to find on your own and I do think a problem a lot of people have with religion is that it was forced upon them. People don't want to be forced into beliefs, they want to make their own beliefs. They may end up having the same beliefs, but that's something that they should find on their own. That's my opinion. How about you guys?
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+ Steve	Jul 25 2017, 10:41 PM Post #2
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah that's one of my biggest problems with organized religion. I wonder how many people "believe" versus how many people were bullied in to "believing", taught that they have to be fearful because they'll go to hell or God won't be pleased etc etc I don't get the point, guess it's a cycle. If these people genuinely believe in all that then of course they don't want their kids going to hell...but still, the decision should fall on the person. It'd be great if we lived in a world where we didn't have Christian familes, Islamic families and whatever else but a world where you could have family with a Christian, Sikh, Muslim and a Catholic all living together respecting one another's beliefs. Of course that probably exists on some level but it's definitely not the norm. While it really wouldn't bother me if religion was removed from the world it can definitely be around in a peaceful way, if people weren't brought up to believe their way is the right way, the only true way and that every other way is horrible and wrong then there would not be so much fighting.
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 25 2017, 10:47 PM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Yeah and as a Christian myself I'd say it's important for Christian parents to set down a foundation, letting their children know this is what they believe. But ultimately it's up to them to find their own path. And you're right many times people try and use fear to get people into the religion and that's just not right at all. What I tell people is that if you want to find out the truth then ask God to show himself to you. Because the only way you're going to find him is on your own, honestly. Other people help, but in the end it's your decision and your beliefs. I can't stand when people bully other's into their own beliefs. Whether they're bullying someone into something that's my beliefs or not, it doesn't change the wrongness of it.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 26 2017, 11:54 AM Post #4
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	That's the reason religion even exists to the extent that it does today. Indoctrination has always been a major part of any organized religion, and it can have damaging effects. If it was just individual people here and there believing who didn't force it on others, I would probably have no problem with religion, but unfortunately that will never happen. It just comes with the territory.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 26 2017, 04:11 PM Post #5
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Most people are not overly forceful with their religion. I think it's important to set a foundation for kids with it but being extreme with them might just make them not want to be as religious. Nobody likes being forced to do something even if it's something they like
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+ Steve	Jul 26 2017, 04:18 PM Post #6
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Nah I think we'll get there eventually, at least in first world countries. There will probably always be nutjobs like the Westboro Baptist Church thinking anyone cares about their pitiful view on the world but I can see religion pretty much dying as is and then living on on a much lower, less volatile scale. Although it will probably largely be hipster religious folk that don't really follow the religion closely. Popular culture will fizzle a lot of it out eventually, stuff like Harry Potter has a larger following than some religions. Again largely in first world countries. There's so much to care and be obsessed with/exposed to now that it shouldn't last too long, relatively speaking.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 26 2017, 04:28 PM Post #7
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Religion has been around for thousands of years it's not going to die out imo There will always be a lot about the world that we can't explain with science. That's where God fits in Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 26 2017, 04:28 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 26 2017, 04:34 PM Post #8
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	God doesn't "fit in" anywhere. He's just an excuse that people shoe-horn in when they don't have the answer.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 26 2017, 04:48 PM Post #9
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Call it what you want. All I'm saying is that I think there will always be faith in God because there will always be something we can't explain
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+ Pointer	Jul 26 2017, 05:02 PM Post #10
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Overly Facetious Goblin Jul 26 2017, 04:34 PM God doesn't "fit in" anywhere. He's just an excuse that people shoe-horn in when they don't have the answer. There is a lot for us to learn. You have your opinion. Unfortunately it is an assumption based on nothing. Current physics assumes we have more dimensions than 4 and i think theres a lot which has yet to be discovered Personally i think everybody believes what they want . Just dont flame each other because of our beliefs



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 26 2017, 05:04 PM Post #11
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Geralt of Rivia Jul 26 2017, 05:02 PM Overly Facetious Goblin Jul 26 2017, 04:34 PM God doesn't "fit in" anywhere. He's just an excuse that people shoe-horn in when they don't have the answer. There is a lot for us to learn. You have your opinion. Unfortunately it is an assumption based on nothing. Current physics assumes we have more dimensions than 4 and i think theres a lot which has yet to be discovered Personally i think everybody believes what they want . Just dont flame each other because of our beliefs I'm not making assumptions about anything. I also wasn't flaming anyone, but thanks for your input. Much wanted.



* Yu Narukami	Jul 26 2017, 05:08 PM Post #12
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Forcefulness is a massive issue when it comes to religion. Just look at America. Christianity is so ingrained in society that people, especially those in the bible belt, are scared to 'come out' as Atheist or any other religion, fearing the backlash of it. Religion by itself is fine, if you stumble upon God, all the more power to you. You want to believe? Fine. Keep it to yourself and don't inject it into society. Teach kids about all different kinds of religions, explain to them the basis, the teachings and everything else as an informative class, and if they end up feeling like one of them resonates with them, they can look into it further and go from there. The vitriolic nature of organised religion and how much sway and power it has is dangerous and has no place in any civilised society, in my opinion.



+ Pointer	Jul 26 2017, 05:18 PM Post #13
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Overly Facetious Goblin Jul 26 2017, 05:04 PM Geralt of Rivia Jul 26 2017, 05:02 PM Overly Facetious Goblin Jul 26 2017, 04:34 PM God doesn't "fit in" anywhere. He's just an excuse that people shoe-horn in when they don't have the answer. There is a lot for us to learn. You have your opinion. Unfortunately it is an assumption based on nothing. Current physics assumes we have more dimensions than 4 and i think theres a lot which has yet to be discovered Personally i think everybody believes what they want . Just dont flame each other because of our beliefs I'm not making assumptions about anything. I also wasn't flaming anyone, but thanks for your input. Much wanted. I could argue about that Besides what do you mean by forcefullness ? It depends . Some families has stronger 'bounds' to christianity . Sometimes so "extreme" that they dont even let their daughters to kiss or have sex before marriage. Which i think is total bulls***. There are exrremists out there who interpret every bible line literally where half of them meant to be interpreted figuretively. i think the possibility that god exists or any other supernatural being might be indeed very high. The universe is eternal. And its just our 4 dimension space who knows what lurks behind



* Mitas	Jul 26 2017, 05:25 PM Post #14
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	If you could argue it, please do, because I genuinely can't see where OFG was supposed to be 'flaming'. She just stated her opinion. If anything, this: Quote: Just dont flame each other because of our beliefs is exactly what you were doing by attacking her opinion purely because it doesn't line up with yours.
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EMIYA	Jul 26 2017, 06:06 PM Post #15
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I can't say much that hasn't been said already and frankly, I'm going to be rather strict here because I feel that we as a society should have gone way past the need for religion. Religion has to be forceful because without it, religion would fail. Gone are the days of fear mongering that religion or the church can bring to the masses. Gone are the days where mankind is ignorant of the world and how it works. Science and its endeavors has become a staple mark of the world and as it gets stronger, religion gets weaker. It's almost natural impact, and its really no different than how the myths of the past disappear into the history books. Here's a quote I've always liked to use. "Science can't explain everything but religion has yet to explain anything." That's what religion, specifically Christianity, but you could fit that with a lot of faiths, used to be. It was, as OFG kind of said, a shoehorned reason for something we didn't understand. That has changed drastically now and its the reason something like science remains so strong. Science for one admits its flaws and secondly, science is something that can be understood and reasoned with. So to get back on to the main subject, yeah religion needs to be forceful and yet that is the problem. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but religion is fighting a losing battle. As the years go by, religion weakens and those of non religious denominations are growing. That can't be helped, religion has lost what ultimately made it strong in the past. A lack of knowledge of the world and an ability to entice fear in the individuals is gone. Knowledge is truly a powerful thing and its something religion has lacked for a long time and you find that when you don't have knowledge, you kind of lack a place in the argument. So what other choice does a religion have other than to indoctrinate individuals at an early age?



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